Comments on: Study claims women paid 20% less than men – I say HOGWASH! http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/ The (almost) daily trials and tribulations of being an executive restaurant recruiter.... running a restaurant executive search firm.... and how to survive. Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:44:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-8419 Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:58:35 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-8419 Anecdotal evidence aside, if you read the original post, logically, you will understand how it is impossible for men to be paid more. BTW, I find it interesting that you would say this "love the fact that I am more successful than the majority of males at the office." I think that may be an 'issue' worth exploring, perhaps in counseling.... Anecdotal evidence aside, if you read the original post, logically, you will understand how it is impossible for men to be paid more.

BTW, I find it interesting that you would say this “love the fact that I am more successful than the majority of males at the office.”

I think that may be an ‘issue’ worth exploring, perhaps in counseling….

]]> By: Alexandra Johnson http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-8390 Alexandra Johnson Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:13:42 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-8390 Are you guys serious? I'm in no way a "feminist", or consider myself a "victim", but I can tell you from experience that at a previous job I had a lower salary than males that were less educated than me (I have an MBA - some had college degrees; others a high school diploma.) If you are wondering I am now in a 100% commission based job & love the fact that I am more successful than the majority of males at the office. Maybe I should have been more aggressive earlier in my career to push for salary increases etc. even after repeated attempts, but trust me it's a mans world. I believe there is still the stereotypical thought process that women will most likely not be able to work as hard, or will quit, once they reach the childbearing time frame of their lives. (In actuality woman have a fantastic ability to multi task & accomplish goals with greater efficiency after childbirth). Look at most of the upper echelon CEOs etc. and tell me if the majority are male, or female. Dig a little deeper & you will see that the men are paid higher than their female counterparts & that's not just a statistic - it's a fact. Are you guys serious? I’m in no way a “feminist”, or consider myself a “victim”, but I can tell you from experience that at a previous job I had a lower salary than males that were less educated than me (I have an MBA – some had college degrees; others a high school diploma.) If you are wondering I am now in a 100% commission based job & love the fact that I am more successful than the majority of males at the office. Maybe I should have been more aggressive earlier in my career to push for salary increases etc. even after repeated attempts, but trust me it’s a mans world. I believe there is still the stereotypical thought process that women will most likely not be able to work as hard, or will quit, once they reach the childbearing time frame of their lives. (In actuality woman have a fantastic ability to multi task & accomplish goals with greater efficiency after childbirth). Look at most of the upper echelon CEOs etc. and tell me if the majority are male, or female. Dig a little deeper & you will see that the men are paid higher than their female counterparts & that’s not just a statistic – it’s a fact.

]]> By: Peggy McKee http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-7526 Peggy McKee Sat, 19 May 2007 23:25:31 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-7526 20% less? I hope it is true and someone calls me tomorrow to rectify the discrepancy. 20% less? I hope it is true and someone calls me tomorrow to rectify the discrepancy.

]]> By: Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-6843 Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter Mon, 07 May 2007 12:40:41 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-6843 Dan, you are exactly correct. People overlook the most obvious reasons for difference when they are trying to play the "victim." Thanks for participating! Dan, you are exactly correct. People overlook the most obvious reasons for difference when they are trying to play the “victim.” Thanks for participating!

]]> By: Daniel Sweet http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-6775 Daniel Sweet Sat, 05 May 2007 12:12:40 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-6775 Even the studies themselves list details that don't make it into the headlines. Such as women go into lower paying careers (a la your Alex Rodriguez vs. teachers comments above). And women take more part-time jobs (voluntarily) than men. If the feminists are correct, then testosterone is the key to aggression. And the bald truth is less aggressive people don't negotiate as hard or ask for as many raises. And, as every salesman...er...person knows, if you don't ask, you don't get. Dan Even the studies themselves list details that don’t make it into the headlines. Such as women go into lower paying careers (a la your Alex Rodriguez vs. teachers comments above). And women take more part-time jobs (voluntarily) than men.

If the feminists are correct, then testosterone is the key to aggression. And the bald truth is less aggressive people don’t negotiate as hard or ask for as many raises.

And, as every salesman…er…person knows, if you don’t ask, you don’t get.

Dan

]]> By: Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-6620 Chief Executive Restaurant Recruiter Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:27:20 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-6620 There are many factors that go into figuring what a person's value in the work place is. You mentioned that there are two men paid more than you, but you have more experience than only one of them... the other has more than you then, correct? Then why is the fact that he is being paid more than you discriminatory? It isn't... and I'd bet that the other person making more isn't either. You see of those two men, one has more experience than the other, but if they are close in pay, is one being discriminated against? On what basis? If I negotiate a better package than you do, regardless of our sex, does that mean that you are discriminated against or just not as skilled as a negotiator? Given that you "know" the salaries of your male co-workers, if you feel discriminated against, there are several options for you: 1) You can demand equal pay (I don't recommend this tact) 2) You can ask for a raise (if you are living up to you potential, your lose would be damaging to your employer so they would probably agree) 3) You can look elsewhere, and hopefully get more money. My view, well I've been paid less than people that I blew away in performance, but because I don't wear an easily identifiable 'discrimination' label on my chest, I don't get to play that card. So, I either prove my worth and am rewarded where I am, or I find another company that will pay me what I am worth. Frankly, I know many school teachers (male and female) that are worth many times the annual salary of Alex Rodriguez... but I don't think that he is paid more because he is a male. There are many factors that go into figuring what a person’s value in the work place is. You mentioned that there are two men paid more than you, but you have more experience than only one of them… the other has more than you then, correct? Then why is the fact that he is being paid more than you discriminatory? It isn’t… and I’d bet that the other person making more isn’t either.

You see of those two men, one has more experience than the other, but if they are close in pay, is one being discriminated against? On what basis?

If I negotiate a better package than you do, regardless of our sex, does that mean that you are discriminated against or just not as skilled as a negotiator?

Given that you “know” the salaries of your male co-workers, if you feel discriminated against, there are several options for you:

1) You can demand equal pay (I don’t recommend this tact)
2) You can ask for a raise (if you are living up to you potential, your lose would be damaging to your employer so they would probably agree)
3) You can look elsewhere, and hopefully get more money.

My view, well I’ve been paid less than people that I blew away in performance, but because I don’t wear an easily identifiable ‘discrimination’ label on my chest, I don’t get to play that card. So, I either prove my worth and am rewarded where I am, or I find another company that will pay me what I am worth.

Frankly, I know many school teachers (male and female) that are worth many times the annual salary of Alex Rodriguez… but I don’t think that he is paid more because he is a male.

]]> By: Paid only 80% here http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/comment-page-1/#comment-6524 Paid only 80% here Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:09:26 +0000 http://www.cecsearch.com/WordPress/2007/04/25/sutdy-claims-women-paid-20-less-than-men-i-say-hogwash/#comment-6524 It's nice to hear that you don't discriminate. Too bad my Fortune 50 employer doesn't do the same. I was hired at the same time as 2 men through the same headhunter/recruiter. I have more experience than one of the men and more education than both of the men, but I am only paid 80% of what the men receive. Why would my male co-workers tell me this? Because it proves they are better than me (yes, they really said this). Management confirmed the pay disparity but has otherwise said and done nothing, other than look very unconformtable. Sexist discrimination is alive and kicking. It’s nice to hear that you don’t discriminate. Too bad my Fortune 50 employer doesn’t do the same. I was hired at the same time as 2 men through the same headhunter/recruiter. I have more experience than one of the men and more education than both of the men, but I am only paid 80% of what the men receive. Why would my male co-workers tell me this? Because it proves they are better than me (yes, they really said this). Management confirmed the pay disparity but has otherwise said and done nothing, other than look very unconformtable.

Sexist discrimination is alive and kicking.

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